Re: Re: Re: Re: REFINANCING YOUR MORTGAGE THROUGH THE PFS SALES DIVISION

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Posted by Mislead by PFS (12.72.137.40) on August 23, 2001 at 15:15:44:

In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: REFINANCING YOUR MORTGAGE THROUGH THE PFS SALES DIVISION posted by Ken Young on August 23, 2001 at 05:13:28:

First think....You would have been better served to direct your criticizims (sic) to "steve", he is the one who challenged the information.

--Umm, I did, Ken. YOU need to think. Go back and look at my posting, it states, “In Reply to: Re: REFINANCING YOUR MORTGAGE THROUGH THE PFS SALES DIVISION posted by steve on August 22, 2001 at 17:32:10”. Catch that? However, I was also addressing you because YOU posted incorrectly as well.

Secondly...As I stated in my posting the information was faxed to me by the victim. She was there, you were not, so you do not know what was told to her. Therefore, unless you have any documentation to support your response to me, we all must assume that the victim knows more about what happened then you do, right?

--You shouldn’t really ASSume too much, Ken, you do know what happens when you do that, right?

I have asked you time and time again every time you post a message in your ongoing attempts to hold me up for ridicule on any of the message (sic) boards we post to on the internet asking you to reference the information that you are posting stating that I am wrong. You have refused to do so.

--Ken, get over yourself. My posting was not intended to “hold you up for ridicule”. It was meant to correct the misstatement from both you and Steve and to let the viewers know how the Debt Freedom Plan worked. If you can’t stand being corrected, stop posting incorrectly. As for my reference for the information I was posting, I’ll use paraphrase your words, I was there, you were not, so you do not know how it works.

The next question I have asked you time and time again that you have also refused to respond to is, since you had claimed to be with the PFS Sales Division for nearly seven years and had moved up the line in the MLM Pyramid type of management standard order of proceedure (sic) at PFS, if you had personally (a) conducted or spoke at the "flopportunity meetings", (b) If you had ever personally used the false, misleading and deceptive inducement orchestrations to entice consumers to engage into a business relationship with Primerica, (c) If you personally had ever trained those underlings in your heirarchy (sic) to do the same, and (D), if you are denying that while still appointed to conduct busness (sic) with Primerica you intitiated (sic) your own message board putting down the same questionable business practices you still were engaged in using and training agents to use prior to Prmerica (sic) cancelling (sic) you (sic) appointment agreement with them?

--And the next answer I have for you, is, your ignorance is showing again. Quite to the contrary of what you have just posted, I HAVE answered each and every one of these questions several times. In fact, I believe I have even answered them on this board. You simple do not like my answers because they are not what you THINK they should be.

In addition to the above, I have also asked you the question if you would still be with Primerica acting in the same capacity of bilking the public if the company had not cancelled your appointment working agreement with them?

--And I have also answered this one as well and the answer is no, I wouldn’t be with them because I am the one that initiated my leaving, NOT Primerica. In fact, my RVP wanted me to stay, even after I told him the reasons I was leaving.

With the exception of stating in a message to me that you never partook in those meetings, (yeah right) stating that you always sat in the background and let others speak and recruit, you have refused to respond to my questions (sic).

--Wrong again, Ken. To the contrary, I have answered each and every question you have posed to me. Just because you don’t like the answer does not change that fact. And just to set the record straight, again, I never stated that I didn’t recruit anybody.

In addition, I asked you then by what authority you speak as a spokesperson to inform consumers how evil the PFS Sales Division is and you have admitted to me in the form of a messasge (sic) , you have no authority to.

--And yet again, I tell you that I have never professed to being a spokesperson for anybody. You on the other hand HAVE professed to being a spokesperson and falsely, I might add.

But never the less in your guest (sic) to pass yourself off as one of the white hat good guys you jump onto this message board with the intent of bashing my well known reputation among professional agents in the industry.

--Again, Ken, what you see as “bashing your well known reputation” is nothing more than correcting your misinformed postings. I have no issues with you posting as long as you keep them correct. If you don’t like being corrected, don’t post. I posted not only to correct you, but Steve as well. I don’t see him here complaining that I have “bashed and libeled” him. Get over yourself, Ken. You were wrong, admit it and move on. Or is this going to turn in to another IRA debate

Who gave you that authority to do so, "steve"?

--Who gave me the authority to do what?

When I refer to my track record and my credentials which can be viewed on the website I sponsor, you challenge my well known reputations within the industry as being "credentials".

--Because they are NOT credentials, Ken. They are “pat on the back” letters, kudos and nothing more. Do I need to repost the definition of credentials for you….again. Geez, Ken, it’s not that hard to comprehend. You have NO information on your website that falls within the definition of credentials, plain and simple.

Now listen up and listen good PFS. The posters, viewers and consumers who are seeking help here are not interested in viewing messages bantying (sic) back and forth between the good guys like myself and the bad guys wearing the black hats who are attempting to misdirect the intent of this message board which is not the narrow subject of Primerica and the company's sales division.

--Ken, just because that’s what you SEE them as, doesn’t mean that’s what they REALLY are.

In addition, they are not interested interrupted by you and your deadly crew of three or four consistantanly (sic) attempting to disrupt this message board with your gang's worthless messages attempting to discredit me.

--We are not disrupting the board, YOU are. We are responding to legitimate postings. YOU on the other hand come on this boards thinking that you can control it, answering every single post, just so your name can be all over this board drawing attention to yourself. It’s all an ego thing for you, Ken.

You keep mentioning PFS misinformation, but yet you find no fault in the many other information I post.

--Actually, I do. If you want me too, I’ll correct those as well, I already did in regards to your posting about the “house fire” where you incorrectly stated that there are “two types” of homeowner policies. There are actually seven types. What you call the two types are nothing more than a method which can be used on most of the seven policies to figure out how the insured will be paid or have their property replaced.

On the other side of the coin, the viewers have not witnessed any of your gang's membership posting any information they are seeking about non-related subjects. Therefore it would be safe for them to assume that your gang doesn't have any knowledge pertaining to them.

--No, it wouldn’t be safe to ASSume that. Like I’ve stated many times before, don’t confuse choosing not to respond with the lack of knowledge. I post mainly to Primerica questions and inquiries and CHOOSE not to respond to the others. There is no requirement that if someone responds to one post they must respond to all posts. That’s the beauty of this country, Ken, freedom of choice. Like I said, I don’t need to have my name all over everything, I’m not an egomaniac like you.

Now if the viewers wanted to obtain just the narrow category of PFS information, they could go to any message strictl (sic) PFS information dedicated board they chose to in order to obtain it which seems a reasonable solution to your gang attempting to change the direction of this message board.

--Yea, they could. But some choose to post here, so I choose to respond here. What do you suggest that I do when someone posts here, copy/paste it to another board and answer it there, where the original poster may not see the response? LOL, get real.

To the contrary, if someone were to post an inquiry pertaining to PFS, then by all means all three of you jump in and assist them and so will I. So what's wrong with that solution to the problem your gang is attempting to create here?

--Nothing, that’s EXACTLY what we do. But then YOU come on here ranting and raving about how we only respond to the Primerica posting and not the others. So which is it, Ken? Is it okay for us to only respond to Primerica postings or isn’t it? Make up your mind. You just criticized me (and others) above for NOT responding to all postings and now you say it’s okay to only respond to the Primerica ones.

To misdirect this boards viewers to a bash Ken Young second message board is not in the best interest of consumers. To irritate consumers with the rhetoric (sic) your gang posts is a sign that the three of you are only attempting to disrupt this message board driving its viewers and posters off of it to the PFS message boards you and "steve" sponsor, and if that is your motive, that's evil, heinous and bad, as well as self serving.

--Again, Ken, correcting you is NOT bashing you. Again, make up your mind. We post to the Primerica postings and you criticize us for not responding to everybody. Then you say it’s okay to only respond to the Primerica ones. Now, here you are again, saying that by responding to the Primerica posts only, we are “irritating” the consumers and “attempting to disrupt this message board”. Make up your mind, Ken. Can we post to the Primerica post only or not? Geez, this is like watching a tennis match, back and forth, back and forth. Make up your mind, Ken.

So if you are attempting to repent and be reborn again because you have developed a conscience over the fact of how you personally knowingly and intentionally (sic) were involved in ripping off the public for a near seven year period, you are going about it in the wrong manner by posting your nonsence (sic) here.

--Ken, the only nonsense (sic) here is YOUR rambling posts every time we respond to a legitimate Primerica posting.

If your gang's posture is to intimidate the viewers, posters, and inquirers to leaving this message board, I will let you get away with it only over my dead body.

--First, like you have any control one way or another. Second, that is NOT my intent. You just THINK it is, because you hate competition. You have to be the SOLE responder to Primerica issues or it deflates your ego.

Take it for what it is worth and start conducting yourselves accordingly.

--Take what for what it’s worth? Your advice? LOL. We always do.

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: First think....You would have been better served to direct your criticizims (sic) to "steve", he is the one who challenged the information. : --Umm, I did, Ken. YOU need to think. Go back and look at my posting, it states, “In Reply to: Re: REFINANCING YOUR MORTGAGE THROUGH THE PFS SALES DIVISION posted by steve on August 22, 2001 at 17:32:10”. Catch that? However, I was also addressing you because YOU posted incorrectly as well. : Secondly...As I stated in my posting the information was faxed to me by the victim. She was there, you were not, so you do not know what was told to her. Therefore, unless you have any documentation to support your response to me, we all must assume that the victim knows more about what happened then you do, right? : --You shouldn’t really ASSume too much, Ken, you do know what happens when you do that, right? : I have asked you time and time again every time you post a message in your ongoing attempts to hold me up for ridicule on any of the message (sic) boards we post to on the internet asking you to reference the information that you are posting stating that I am wrong. You have refused to do so. : --Ken, get over yourself. My posting was not intended to “hold you up for ridicule”. It was meant to correct the misstatement from both you and Steve and to let the viewers know how the Debt Freedom Plan worked. If you can’t stand being corrected, stop posting incorrectly. As for my reference for the information I was posting, I’ll use paraphrase your words, I was there, you were not, so you do not know how it works. : The next question I have asked you time and time again that you have also refused to respond to is, since you had claimed to be with the PFS Sales Division for nearly seven years and had moved up the line in the MLM Pyramid type of management standard order of proceedure (sic) at PFS, if you had personally (a) conducted or spoke at the "flopportunity meetings", (b) If you had ever personally used the false, misleading and deceptive inducement orchestrations to entice consumers to engage into a business relationship with Primerica, (c) If you personally had ever trained those underlings in your heirarchy (sic) to do the same, and (D), if you are denying that while still appointed to conduct busness (sic) with Primerica you intitiated (sic) your own message board putting down the same questionable business practices you still were engaged in using and training agents to use prior to Prmerica (sic) cancelling (sic) you (sic) appointment agreement with them? : --And the next answer I have for you, is, your ignorance is showing again. Quite to the contrary of what you have just posted, I HAVE answered each and every one of these questions several times. In fact, I believe I have even answered them on this board. You simple do not like my answers because they are not what you THINK they should be. : In addition to the above, I have also asked you the question if you would still be with Primerica acting in the same capacity of bilking the public if the company had not cancelled your appointment working agreement with them? : --And I have also answered this one as well and the answer is no, I wouldn’t be with them because I am the one that initiated my leaving, NOT Primerica. In fact, my RVP wanted me to stay, even after I told him the reasons I was leaving. : With the exception of stating in a message to me that you never partook in those meetings, (yeah right) stating that you always sat in the background and let others speak and recruit, you have refused to respond to my questions (sic). : --Wrong again, Ken. To the contrary, I have answered each and every question you have posed to me. Just because you don’t like the answer does not change that fact. And just to set the record straight, again, I never stated that I didn’t recruit anybody. : In addition, I asked you then by what authority you speak as a spokesperson to inform consumers how evil the PFS Sales Division is and you have admitted to me in the form of a messasge (sic) , you have no authority to. : : --And yet again, I tell you that I have never professed to being a spokesperson for anybody. You on the other hand HAVE professed to being a spokesperson and falsely, I might add. : But never the less in your guest (sic) to pass yourself off as one of the white hat good guys you jump onto this message board with the intent of bashing my well known reputation among professional agents in the industry. : --Again, Ken, what you see as “bashing your well known reputation” is nothing more than correcting your misinformed postings. I have no issues with you posting as long as you keep them correct. If you don’t like being corrected, don’t post. I posted not only to correct you, but Steve as well. I don’t see him here complaining that I have “bashed and libeled” him. Get over yourself, Ken. You were wrong, admit it and move on. Or is this going to turn in to another IRA debate : Who gave you that authority to do so, "steve"? : --Who gave me the authority to do what? : When I refer to my track record and my credentials which can be viewed on the website I sponsor, you challenge my well known reputations within the industry as being "credentials". : --Because they are NOT credentials, Ken. They are “pat on the back” letters, kudos and nothing more. Do I need to repost the definition of credentials for you….again. Geez, Ken, it’s not that hard to comprehend. You have NO information on your website that falls within the definition of credentials, plain and simple. : Now listen up and listen good PFS. The posters, viewers and consumers who are seeking help here are not interested in viewing messages bantying (sic) back and forth between the good guys like myself and the bad guys wearing the black hats who are attempting to misdirect the intent of this message board which is not the narrow subject of Primerica and the company's sales division. : --Ken, just because that’s what you SEE them as, doesn’t mean that’s what they REALLY are. : In addition, they are not interested interrupted by you and your deadly crew of three or four consistantanly (sic) attempting to disrupt this message board with your gang's worthless messages attempting to discredit me. : --We are not disrupting the board, YOU are. We are responding to legitimate postings. YOU on the other hand come on this boards thinking that you can control it, answering every single post, just so your name can be all over this board drawing attention to yourself. It’s all an ego thing for you, Ken. : You keep mentioning PFS misinformation, but yet you find no fault in the many other information I post. : --Actually, I do. If you want me too, I’ll correct those as well, I already did in regards to your posting about the “house fire” where you incorrectly stated that there are “two types” of homeowner policies. There are actually seven types. What you call the two types are nothing more than a method which can be used on most of the seven policies to figure out how the insured will be paid or have their property replaced. : On the other side of the coin, the viewers have not witnessed any of your gang's membership posting any information they are seeking about non-related subjects. Therefore it would be safe for them to assume that your gang doesn't have any knowledge pertaining to them. : --No, it wouldn’t be safe to ASSume that. Like I’ve stated many times before, don’t confuse choosing not to respond with the lack of knowledge. I post mainly to Primerica questions and inquiries and CHOOSE not to respond to the others. There is no requirement that if someone responds to one post they must respond to all posts. That’s the beauty of this country, Ken, freedom of choice. Like I said, I don’t need to have my name all over everything, I’m not an egomaniac like you. : Now if the viewers wanted to obtain just the narrow category of PFS information, they could go to any message strictl (sic) PFS information dedicated board they chose to in order to obtain it which seems a reasonable solution to your gang attempting to change the direction of this message board. : --Yea, they could. But some choose to post here, so I choose to respond here. What do you suggest that I do when someone posts here, copy/paste it to another board and answer it there, where the original poster may not see the response? LOL, get real. : To the contrary, if someone were to post an inquiry pertaining to PFS, then by all means all three of you jump in and assist them and so will I. So what's wrong with that solution to the problem your gang is attempting to create here? : --Nothing, that’s EXACTLY what we do. But then YOU come on here ranting and raving about how we only respond to the Primerica posting and not the others. So which is it, Ken? Is it okay for us to only respond to Primerica postings or isn’t it? Make up your mind. You just criticized me (and others) above for NOT responding to all postings and now you say it’s okay to only respond to the Primerica ones. : To misdirect this boards viewers to a bash Ken Young second message board is not in the best interest of consumers. To irritate consumers with the rhetoric (sic) your gang posts is a sign that the three of you are only attempting to disrupt this message board driving its viewers and posters off of it to the PFS message boards you and "steve" sponsor, and if that is your motive, that's evil, heinous and bad, as well as self serving. : --Again, Ken, correcting you is NOT bashing you. Again, make up your mind. We post to the Primerica postings and you criticize us for not responding to everybody. Then you say it’s okay to only respond to the Primerica ones. Now, here you are again, saying that by responding to the Primerica posts only, we are “irritating” the consumers and “attempting to disrupt this message board”. Make up your mind, Ken. Can we post to the Primerica post only or not? Geez, this is like watching a tennis match, back and forth, back and forth. Make up your mind, Ken. : So if you are attempting to repent and be reborn again because you have developed a conscience over the fact of how you personally knowingly and intentionally (sic) were involved in ripping off the public for a near seven year period, you are going about it in the wrong manner by posting your nonsence (sic) here. : --Ken, the only nonsense (sic) here is YOUR rambling posts every time we respond to a legitimate Primerica posting. : If your gang's posture is to intimidate the viewers, posters, and inquirers to leaving this message board, I will let you get away with it only over my dead body. : --First, like you have any control one way or another. Second, that is NOT my intent. You just THINK it is, because you hate competition. You have to be the SOLE responder to Primerica issues or it deflates your ego. : Take it for what it is worth and start conducting yourselves accordingly. : --Take what for what it’s worth? Your advice? LOL. We always do.

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