Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Primerica: Why it's just anyother Multi-Tier Marketing Scam

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Posted by ronald on April 26, 2005 at 20:22:51:

In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Primerica: Why it's just anyother Multi-Tier Marketing Scam posted by jax on January 25, 2002 at 23:18:28:

: : : : : : : : QUICK SUMMERY: JUST ANOTHER SCAM!! DON'T DO IT!!, DONT SIGN Up!! IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE... IT IS!!
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: : : : -------------->>>> First item. I believe you were just shooting your mouth off again once more attempting to lead the public that you were justified in filing a "bogus" complaint.

: : : "You know and everyone else knows that is was Eric not jax who filed a justified complaint against you. Why are you lying to the viewers of this board that I filed a complaint?? Folks, go to Wars and see for yourself whether it was jax or Eric who filed a complaint."

: : : "How are you coming with shuting Joe Casey's board down for letting all those viewer correct you false, misleading and fraudulent posts?"
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: : ----------->>> Isn't the "Bozo" going to feel funny when I bring to his depostion the e-mail messages that Joe Casey sent to me thanking me for bring their fraudulant posts to his board. In fact, in three of those messages sent to me by Joe Casey, the thanked me for also bringing to his attention that they were posting their wesite and message boards to his domain attempting to misdirect the viewers here to their own message boards.

: You are the only one who has a message board and want to re-direct posters there. I don't have a board, so where would I direct any poster to??

: Joe must not think anyone's post are fraudulent and needs deleting. I don't think Joe feels as if he needs your help in running his board. In fact, I bet Joe wonders why you don't stay and run your own board instead of trying to tell others how to run their boards. In other words, BEAT IT!!!!
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: : : : Second item. Nope, I have not been contacted just as I was not contacted by the people who Steve filed a complaint against me also.

: : : : Third item, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police did in fact visit Steve at the house he was renting and cautioned him to cease so the complaint that was filed against him was in fact justified.

: : : "This was a bogus complaint filed by Ken Young on a viewer in Canada who disagreed with Ken. It was a BOGUS complaint. "

: : -------------->>> You, have no idea what the follow up on that was do you? I wish I could tell you but then I would be betraying someone's confidence if I did. Just as Steve lied in his posted message denying that the RCMP ever visited with him at the home he was living in, you are attempting to cover lying also. Why don't you ever talk about Mike losing at three attempts to make it in the financial services industry still not having a license in the State of Illinois for writing bad checks to renew his license?

: : Why don't you ever talk about what is already documented that Steve attempted to steal my message board and when he failed to get away with that internet criminal act, he began his KenWars campaign against me out of his anger. Why don't you talk about Mike's termination notice from his major company he worked for where he was being fired for unsatisfactory performance just as he had been terminated from his previous insurance position were he spent only one-year with them.

: : I offered to mail you a copy of his termination notice but you don't want to see that proof either do you.

: Why do I care who and why some poster has been terminated?

: : You first appeared on the wars board which addmittedly had been initiated to harass me. So now your have joined the libelers, defamers and the harassers at that board just as you are attempting to initiate here also.

: Why do you believe that everyone wants to harass only you?? Because you post lies and fraudulent information. You have no knowledge of the insurance business, except what dog spray to use to keep from being bitten while collecting premiums on your debit.

: : He is just livid because I have also exposed him as a Charlatan also.

: : You see, they want recognition as a leader, especially in the field of PFS so they can get their consulting businesses off of the ground and/or moving again.

: : When I make a public announcement that an attorney representing a insurance fraud victim has contacted me and I tell the attorney I am retired and no longer do attorney consulting work I refer the attorney to a qualified consultant, not one of those Chalatan consultants who misrepresent themselves as being qualified to attorneys. That simply makes them go ballistic knowing that I refuse to recommend them.

: : What they are doing is attempting to besmirge my well-known unblemished reputation in the industry and they have publicly announced that they are going to run me off the internet. Why, because I pose a threat to them and for no other reason.

: Cut and paste where I said that I am going to run you off the internet?? In fact, if you leave I am leaving. My mission is simpy to correct your false, misleading, deceptive and fraudulent posts so that you don't harm a viewer who "thinks" you know what you are talking about.
: Your reputation in the industry sucks. I have never been in the consulting business. I make more money selling financial services.

: : You see, they don't have any notoriety within the industry and they figure is they can bluff their way in, they need to get rid of me from the internet.

: "How many of you want and desire "notoriety" within the industry????

: : Jax still won't stand up like a man and indentify himself to you will he? Talk about a mealy- mouthed coward who hides behind his mother's skirts.

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: : : Last item. There are "kooks" who file "bogus" and unjustied complaints anywhere they can when they are exposed as being nothing more than a

: : : Charlatan.

: : : "Ken, Did jax or Eric file a complaint against you??"

: : : "You are having a viewer served as we speak, and you claim that the server has only foung a vacant lot? Right? You are suppose to find out Monday how the server is coming with serving papers to the viewer that was critical of your false, and fraudulent posts. That is what you posted on PFS Wars.
: : : You have sued many people and the company that is paying you a good retirement income every month. However, you turned against them. You also sued a fellow agent that you worked with at Pru.. You also filed a bogus complaint against steve in Canada. You have threaten to close boards as you are doing now with Joe Casey's boards. You have harassed board hosts to the point that they would rather close down that put up with your harassment. And you talk about someone filing "bogus" complaints?"

: : : "You are not only incompetent, but a lying fraud."
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: : Your posting record indicates that you are the uniformed liar and the fact that you refuse to identify yourself to the viewers of your messages standing behind what you post in the opinion of many of those who have read your posts knowing you have posted erroneous information makes you the fraud in our view.

: : By the way, why don't you talk about the time that I caught the poster Eric impersonating a real live professor of economics when Eric posted a message impersonating him so Eric could prove that he was correct in a cover-up when Eric had also posted erroneous information to a message board. Why don't you tell us how when I checked it out, the professor of economics denied that he had posted the messge Eric had posted and the professor also told the guilty party (Eric not to ever do that again.

: : Why is it that you are always protecting the Charlatans and helping them to cover up their treachery when they are caught in the act by me?

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: : : : I understand that when they act in that capacity and the authorities receive these "bogus" complaints, they take them home with the complaint in hand and say to their wives, "Honey, you have to read this "bogus" complaint we received today from another crack-pot". "This will take your mind off the hard time the kids gave to you today and you get a good laugh out of this one".

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: : : : : : ---------->>>Although it sounds like a scam to me also, it also sounds like to me that Jax wants to expose it because he didn't think of it first and implicate it before the other "Bozo" did.

: : : : : Ken, how are you coming with the charge of criminal behavior on the internet coming?? Has the authorities contacted you yet? Don't you know better than not to makes threats against viewers who expose your fraudulent posts?
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: : : : : : : : Ok heres some logic. Suppose I tell you that if you sign your family up with my insurance policy I'll give you $1500. That is precisely what Primerica is.

: : : : : : : : They beat around the bush, throw facts and figures but really what they are looking for you to do is sign your family up with their financial programs.

: : : : : : : : Fact is that if you invest $10,000 for someone for 25 years with the S&P500 index (14%). It will roughly inflate to $260,000. Your program offers to pay them %12 a year (which is a lot more then what your bank will do) they will make $170000. That means that Primerica made roughly $100,000 doing business with you. So of course they can pay you $1,000 - $2,000 as a sign up bonus.

: : : : : : : : Now lets take it a step further. From what I've heard (I left in the middle of the lecture) they want you to recruit 3 people by doing so making $3000 off their labor. THATS IF THEY LABOR. Now suppose you find 3 people, you have to make sure they recruit 3 people a piece so that you can collect $15000 a month. However, you now have 9 people at the bottom of the pyramid who all wish to be making commission off other people laboring.

: : : : : : : : FACT IS THAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID HUNGRY TO SIGN PEOPLE UP.

: : : : : : : : There will always be a huge drop out rate and while you may have made a $100,000 by recruiting x amount of people... it's really cheap change compared to the money Primerica made off of you and it's short term money in that eventually you won't be able to find new recruits and/or new people to sign up for their finanical programs.

: : : : : : : : So what happens at this point is the pyramid collapses bottom up and eventually you will find yourself having no recruits to capitalize on and be forced to drop out yourself.

: : : : : : : : I can show you facts and figures but it's all in the works. I'm currently working on a site bashing Multi-Tier Marketing. Primerica, Marker America, etc..

: : : : : : : : Feel free to contact me. I left my contact details in this thread and don't hate me cause I differ in opinion. Fact is I'm trying to do you a favor by pointing out some not-so-obvious flaws. You may make some money using this program but remember:

: : : : : : : : A: it's a lot harder then it seems
: : : : : : : : B: That money may or may not be there forever
: : : : : : : : C: Don't rush to sign your own family up, sign up strangers first and see how hard it is.

: : : : : : : What do you mean "their system" pays 12%? Why couldn't PFS put their money in a fund that is also paying 14%?

I have only one comment after running across the comments on this site: Think of something positive you people could have accomplished by now with the same amount of energy and time you have put into posting on this site.


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